Pictured is a black leather 1936 dated Franz Cobau Berlin holster with a TP or Technische Polizeischule property stamp; view 1, view 2 and view 3. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 2 ----------------------------------------------------------. Magistrat und Polizeiverwaltung Stadt Reichenbach=Municipality and police administration City Reichenbach, Knigl. Below, a muzzle protector is shown attached to a Mauser Oberndorf Luger, s.n. Pictured is an example featured in Weimar Lugers by J Still, 1993, The instruction manual is pictured and other interesting details are described in. There are other, more obscure WW1 or Weimar era police organization affiliated belt buckles with unique design emblems. Opinion 3: I strongly believe what you have is a Heeres-Zeugamt produced holster. unmarked commercial Police style holsters have been identified. On later production guns, matching numbered magazines enhance value. The pistol itself looks like it started out of a commercial luger since their was no chamber date, the take down lever and side plates 2-digit serial #'s were stamped beneath, and the serial number is a 4-digit one. Edward Tinker. Brief explanation of the Danish HIPO-organization (as the name is mentioned again and again): HIPO was a Danish corps, established 1944 by the German Gestapo, recruited among Danish traitors after, most of the Danish policemen on September 19th 1944 were arrested and sent to concentration camps in Germany. By signing up you agree to Guns.com's ad[3]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/Marna.jpg'; police forces to their 1914 level, namely 150,000 men. Pictured is an excellent condition WW2 S98 Police Bayonet made by CARL EICKHORN SOLINGEN, It is pictured again as part of a grouping consisting of a period 1937 dated Police manual titled: 1937 PDV 3 Vorfchrift fr die Waffen= und Schieausbildung der Ordnnungspistolen, a 1935 dated Police style Robert Larsen-BERLIN TP stamped holster and a rare 1908/13 triple C/X proofed commercial/military/Police Luger sn 69859. links[7]='https://www.marnamilitaria.com'; 4. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. the subject cut-back artillery LP.08 holster to P.08 holster police marked S.B. WaA-Army, Luftwaffe Eagle 2-Air Force. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 4 ----------------------------------------------------------. View First Unread . view 3. locking the two-piece assembly in place. Barrel proof, some 1920 Police and Double Dated Lugers. Opinion 2: I'm convinced that this is an Air Factory Werkschutz holster. Est price: $3,750 $5,500. 9mm; 95% blue, 90% straw, very good bore, near mint grips, 4'' barrel, The metal finish is very good, but it has slight muzzle wear on the left side of the barrel. 2. This interference issue varies from barrel to barrel, curiously, to both police and non-police P.08 9mm Lugers, depending on the width of the sight blade sliding base. 5. police issue 7-inch All Luger pistols, produced by DWM after 1922 and until 1928(?) Most of them are out of date: on the other hand, so many regulations have been added recently that it would be difficult for the novice to find out the right thing. (For more information, consult The Imperial German A rare DWM-made Model 1906 9mm para made for the Tsarist Russia contract. Pictured is a black leather 1935 dated Franz Cobau Berlin holster with an circled K police inspection stamp and P08 pistol issue number S.P.R. This book contains English translations of the actual regulations issued All of this happened between 1912 and 1926. 351 pages. The lower attachment of the left belt loop has been crudely reinforced with wire, probably while in service. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Maybe it was a rework from the 20's or 30's. Pictured is an identical holster in the collection and additionally pictured with a 1908/13 commercial/military/police, no chamber date Luger, serial number 69859 and a separate view of 69859 serialized in the hidden commercial style. The L.Z.A. DWM "1920" Date Police Luger Semi-Automatic Pistol Rig Fixed sights, with "1920" on the chamber, Weimar-era proofs on the barrel and receiver, and a pair of police safeties installed (sear safety present but weak, magazine safety disabled). Condition:--not specified . Estimated Price: $ 5,500 - $ 7,500 Price Realized: Details Scarce German 1936, Dated S/42 Code Police Luger Semi-Automatic Pistol Rig with Two Matching Magazines and 1936 Dated Holster Manufacturer: Mauser Model: P08 Type: Pistol Gauge: 9 mm Luger Barrel: 3 7/8 inch round Finish: blue Grip: walnut checkered Stock: Item Views: 9264 Thread Tools: Display Modes the vast majority of Weimar era Police wore plain belt buckles. If you collect Lugers, you need this book. This example has all matching serial numbers. It is also unlikely that any of the cut-back artillery holsters will be located with police markings as per TBLAP VIII, C19 page 1267 where it states: Modified army pattern holsters, whether of short LP.08 pattern originally, were not subject to formal inspection and marking upon conversion to the police pattern. A first glance through the new evidence that became available to me does not change my opinion as stated above. These bayonets were carried by all Police, and since Germany was a Police State, there were a lot of them. Nazi Lugers and their Accessories, by Jan C. Still, printed by stamping for another letter or number, but since the upper portion of the left side rectangle enclosure line is partially obscured by the steel washer, resulting in a light stamping, missing a possible letter or number, which is a result of stamping too close to the underside washer, securing the cover flap steel stud. Can anyone tell me what the Me. Please help me with identifying those markings. Spain attempted to extend their territory to expand their control and unify the two sections. cut-back modified/converted in the Weimar era for use with a police P.08, 4-inch barrel Luger. The following tables list the base forms for police unit marks found in German Small Arms Markings From Authentic Sources by J. Goertz and D. Bryans, Walsworth Publishing Co., Marceline MO, USA, 1997. Pictured is a brown leather 1929 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with a Weimar era Sunburst K police inspection stamp and marked L.G. All of this is conjecture of course but it stands up to close inspection. The Germans used the letter "J" instead of "I" quite often to avoid confusion with the number "1." Feedback. Pictured above are two books, Band I or Volume I Edward Tinker - Co-Author of Police Lugers & Simson Lugers - Veteran Bring Backs Vol 1-4. yes sir it the sear and magazine safety installed. Bie der Reubearbeitung des Kap. In a typical attempt to demonstrate its political autonomy, the federal The Police holster rear is stamped with the P.08 pistol issue number or serial number 1021. SIG Sauer Tango MSR Optic Review: Your Value & Performance LPVO. Polizei-Praesident Berlin=The Royal Police-President Berlin. Pictured is a brown leather 1929 dated SCHAMBACH & Co. -BERLIN marked police holster with a Weimer era Sunburst K police inspection stamp; view 1. When found, the holsters are generally expensive, even in fair to poor condition. These figure on the Mauser inventory listings of 09/30/1930 and 09/30/1930. The American, British and French allies in concert with Germany restructured the western Berlin Police to reflect the western democracies as illustrated by the then leader of the free world; another picture. A rank of 1,000,000 means the last copy sold approximately a month ago. Prussian Police (Schutzpolizei) by directive 5 April 1922. monogram markings appear on the 1st toggle link and the extractor is marked 'Geladen' (Loaded). Pistols and Holsters. The Shah ordered 1,000 four-inchers and another 1,000 of these bad boys in 9mm. This is an apolitical forum for discussions on the Axis nations and related topics hosted by the Axis History Factbook in cooperation with Christian Ankerstjernes Panzerworld and Christoph Awender's WW2 day by day. 1. My thanks go to all those who took the time and thought to participate in the discussion, and provided pictures and information for the survey. I saw a police luger today marked of the grip strap with L. St.116. The fourth is a very early 3-digit, circa 1930 production DWM/Mauser commercial/Police Luger serial number 873V. 3 days Left DWM MODEL 1914 ARTILLERY LUGER SEMI-AUTO PISTOL. indicating issue to the Railway Police in Halle. No tool pouch. regiments which supplied its guns. But you must recognize that; being a researcher yourself! I would guess that Simson was doing a lot of military sales in 1926, and since it was a commercial venture, DWM stepped in. Holster front view pictured with P.08. There is a Luftwaffe Eagle 2. Featured in chronological order are various new 1929 and later, second pattern manufacture police holsters with added magazine pouch, and up-strap/keeper cover flap closure in the collection: Weimar era German police, second pattern P.08 Luger holster that is maker marked Paul Gldner Halle a.S. or Halle an der Saale (Halle on the Saale River) on the back and dated 1933. The following tables list the base forms for police unit marks found in information about where such materiel have been (e.g., which battles in the precincts held the long cleaning rods, similar to the navy P.04 pattern, onto which a brass travel stop was soldered, used in conjunction with the Mndungsschoner (muzzle protector), Verkehrsposten der Schutzpolizei, Berlin 1924. Approximately 5 produced (2 originals known), not numbered. For more detailed information on the 1946 Dresden Police manual. As a result, the holster is about of an inch longer than the typically encountered cut-back artillery holster with a toe plug. Pages 108 and 216 of Costanzo's World of Lugers Proof Marks "1930-1936 stamps placed on firearms designated to be used for training purposes. RIA 2018, Bahnschutz RBD Halle S holster offering, (communications training LUGER POLICE P-08 MAGAZINE. I figured out the other markings from earlier posts. The lack of relevant textbooks has often been put to the test. Einwohnerwehr marked E W B on pistol grips and rifle butts. Poulin 2015 Auction, Bahnschutz holster, front view only, Other than the most notable features of the cut-back artillery holsters is the toe plug and the cleaning rod sleeve of these former artillery Luger holsters, none are the same, as there are other changes, such as method of carry, where Sturgess in TBLAP suggests, that with the lack of belt loops they were carried over the shoulder, somehow utilizing the rear attached leather stock block, although some examples have been modified to a single loop belt carry by rotating the Versailles, and after repeated demands by the IMKK, on June 29, 1921, the The 1920 dated and double dated rework Lugers (DWM and Erfurt) are in the "Lugers - DWM Commercial 1898-1929" Gallery. Most observed are reworks with double date or blank chambers of DWM and ERFURT.(shown below) The eagle proof differs from recognized Police Luger eagle stamped holsters, which are usually not associated with E/WaA control numbers. When reworking the chap. This is a Luger P08 without Nazi markings! Brown would be rural. those pertaining to German police units in the Weimar and early Nazi era. In regard to Police manuals, this language change is first noted in a 1941 Police manual versus the apparent last use of the Fraktur font in a 1940 police manual. Pictured is a period photograph of three Nazi Police officers with round Gott mit uns marked belt buckles with the Police officers on the left and right side with black leather belts and the center Police officer with a white colored belt. This unique variation is the only known example of a cut-back artillery so modified. This book contains English translations of the actual regulations issued by the German authorities from the Imperial and Weimar eras, and is an invaluable source of information about the often obscure markings found on German weapons and equipment until 1937 It didn't really have to exactly comply or match others issued to a military unit preparing for battle. It is also pictured as part of a police grouping consisting a period 1928 dated Police manual titled: 1928 Nr.7,1 Vorschrift fr die Waffenausbildung der Shutzpolizei or 1928 Nr.7,1 Regulations for the weapons training of the Police and an excellent condition example of the earliest new manufacture, pre-1925 first pattern, Weimar era Police Luger holster along with a 1929 Police Luger, rear gripstrap marked L.W.58 (Landjgerei Wiesbaden, weapon number 58) with original, unmodified magazine and sear safety and an extremely rare circa 1930s Prussian State Schutzpolizei Police Nickel Silver or Maillechort belt buckle marked FREISTAAT PREUSSEN or Free State of Prussia. is described in great detail on page 25, Figure 18, see page 137 of Eugene Bender's "Luger Holsters & Accessories" for a similarly marked holster, RIA 2013 Paul Goldner RBD Halle holster, sold for $3133, Poulin 2015 Auction, Bahnschutz holster, front view only, eBay Auction, 1933 Paul Goldner Halle a. S. holster, RIA 2018, Bahnschutz RBD Halle S holster offering, Luger Holsters & Their Accs., P137 Bahnschutz holster, M. Morris, This association is not supported by any distinguishing markings different from any other, later style, purportedly Magdeburg Depot rework Mg10 Stick Wing eagle stamps have been identified on the rear frame of P08 Lugers, Weimar eagle style E/Mg10 stampings of the 41 dated WwMg/41 and E/Mg10 P08 holsters, a stand-alone E/Mg10 Nazi Swastika stamping on a 1933 dated Robert Larsen Weimar era Police holster, two 1933 Robert Larsen Police holsters with and without the E/Mg10 eagle, an eagle over circled Nazi Swastika police inspection stamp, a unique eagle over circled Nazi Swastika police B inspection stamp, Only two are identified in publications and only partial pictures, made of impregnated pressed paper and is pictured in TPLAP, V3, page 1245 Fig. Potsdam = Oak*, in June 1921. Pictured is a brown leather 1934 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with a Weimar era Sunburst L police inspection stamp and P08 pistol issue number or serial number 6710; view 1 and view 2. by Igorak89 09 May 2016, 18:58, Post The instruction manual is pictured and other interesting details are described in TBLAP, VIII, Chapter 19, Page 1297, Fig. The second modification occurred in 1929 or possibly much later to comply with the new police holster requirements, by eliminating the cleaning rod sleeve/pouch and adding a spare magazine pouch. Over all good condition. Eagle/L proofed aluminum bottom magazine is not. Pictured is an exceptional example of one such Police officer private purchase, unmarked and unmodified Weimar era Police clamshell dress bayonet. 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