suppose that building had been painted with a bold pattern and say a big potato image - no chance of mistaking that for a runway. WHY? For specific information, you may request a copy of . Warm Springs Police Chief Bill Elliott said the Warm Springs Dispatch Center received a report around 2:30 p.m. from Seattle Air Traffic Control of the possible plane crash in the area of the . But I got my wish too. You have any proof of that? It's unclear if anyone else was on board the aircraft. "I have tried to comprehend the possible reasons for a Caravan to be flying below 90 knots and descending close to 900 feet per minute (per ADS-B/FlightAware) dangerously below the published Minimum Descent Altitude"You might want to comprehend this:1. There is no "glidepath", "decision altitude", "needles" (plural), or any sort of vertical guidance at all. There is no indication as yet that the pilot was given the special automated report. There is something definitely sticking above the top of the chimney on a yellow pole coming from the cage.While it will be interesting to see if the GPS or WAAS signal was degraded for the GPS RWY 20 approach, the pilot should have been in visual conditions./ME. One possible cause of a flameout could be the accumulation of ice and snow on the PT-6 turbine compressor section intake screen. Quickest way to get there Cheapest option Distance between. But mostly commercials.That helps in creating a neurotic anxious people who become good consumers and worker bees happy to get paid little in exchange for jingoism to be proud of. UPDATE- GoFund Me created to get Matt and his daughter back in the air- https://www.gofundme.com/f/lets-rebuild-matt-mansells-cessna?qid=c3a638176d86b1758473. AD Compliance Report April 2022. In lieu of flowers, the Infanger family is welcoming donations for a scholarship fund in Brittneys honor. Maybe what should come out of all this is some sort of program to break up such deadly illusions beforehand. Not exactly the type of volume that would create "a concentrated convective cell storm." At that point, the pilot would be using external visual references or at least trying to. All three aboard were killed in the crash . It makes my heart sick to think about what this delightful person must have gone through. The previous day's BYI flight diverted to Twin Falls.2. Two people were onboard the aircraft when the pilot reported engine issues after taking off from the Santa Monica Airport. they should be required to fly out to these locations on days like this once in a while for the education needed to make safer decisions on where these pilots must go risk their lives every day. So are you going to tell me that's not enough to get a Caravan down and stopped? A National Transportation Safety Board investigator arrived on the scene on Tuesday. The altimeter at the destination airport was 29.97, so the pressure altitude correction would be +50 feet, that combined with FlightAware's rounding error and a +/- 75 foot allowed altimeter variance means the pilot may not have busted the MDA on the first approach as was implied. Their airplane was fully intact like this one.Here is a quote from that report:"The FAA published Seat Belts and Shoulder Harnesses, Smart Protection for Small Airplanes (AM-400-90/2). 1. I believe the approach was unstable, in and out of IMC from JAMID. (Nobody commenting here so far has indicated that they looked closely and noticed the tolerance associated with specific obstruction records in the obstruction database, so it's time to shine a light on declared tolerances there. After the pilot report established at IREME, the controller cleared the pilot for the approach. Flags in front of City Hall will be lowered to half-staff and a City Council meeting in the new year will be adjourned in honor of Minters service.. will certainly be the tuber rallying cry long before witness location is publicized, plume data presented or VDP and MDA considerations are resolved, but that's just how everyone rolls in pursuit of views and outrage these days. )Here are those two points, with map-pinned locations, measured distance between them and difference in raw reported altitude:Data and mapping at the edge of the Gem building:Wed 10:32:25 AM 42.5520 -113.7592 217 80 92 4,150 -857Call this Data Point "A" and google map pin it:http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.5520+-113.7592Data and mapping at 21 seconds and 2,650 feet horizontal distance before reaching the Gem building's edge and 300 feet higher:Wed 10:32:04 AM 42.5578 -113.7532 216 81 93 4,450 -750Call this Data Point "B" and google map pin it:http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.5578+-113.7532Determine angle using rise run:Rise: -300 feetRun: 2,650 feetFlown descent angle between final two data points = -6.5Now, repeat the calculation from JAMID to "B":First, find JAMID coordinates from FAA database:JAMID location coordinates: 42-33-59.2100N 113-44-39.3500WJAMID location converted to decimal: 42.566447, -113.744264Map pin the location of JAMID:maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.566447+-113.744264Choose nearest ADS-B data point to JAMID from FA track log:Wed 10:31:37 AM 42.5669 -113.7437 216 103 119 4,750 -663Call this Data point "C" and google map it:maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.5669+-113.7437(JAMID's location maps about 200 feet SWest of this data point)N928JP's location at JAMID includes an uncorrected altitude of 4,750 feet, 300 feet higher than and 4,166 feet horizontally distant from the Wed 10:32:04 AM 42.5578 -113.7532 data point "B".Determine angle from JAMID to "B" using rise run:Rise: -300 feetRun: 4,166 feetFlown descent angle between JAMID and point "B" = -4.1Everybody understands that ADS-B can be terribly inaccurate, but when you add the expected +50' pressure correction to the 4,750' reported at JAMID, the data suggests that the pilot appears to be "on" at JAMID. Minor injuries to two aboard. In this case, you have an unconventional approach angle, no vertical guidance, no VASI, no PAPI. Newer editions of the Cessna Caravan contain updated glass instrumentation with Garmin G600 or G1000 systems and weeping wing TKS ice prevention systems.Please do not assume that classic rookie pilot mistakes are at play here. Paint transfer from impact points to determine the planes flight path. Weather, 20 minutes before incident, was 1 mile, light snow, broken at 2300, overcast at 2800. No problem to figure out from the street view image, using the height of the red frame's upper platform yellow guardrail as a measuring reference for the stack and truck bay door openings to figure roof elevation.The stack rises above the roof surface by approximately 20 multiples of the guardrail height. Family said "he was a great guy" Must of been a mechanical problem!" Osha's 42 inch guardrail standard x 20 comes out to 70 feet.This was the image used:https://goo.gl/maps/CqTD5vsKPo3e2cK99Door opening height to clear semi trucks are 14 feet. From accountability to safety? Freight dispatchers aren't the ones responsible for letting under-equipped airports remain that way. Nevertheless, RIP to Brittney and condolences to her family and friends. Juan Brown on the Blancolirio YouTube Channel mentions the icing conditions. Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017. "Clipped from the July 1975 Newsletter:https://www.ninety-nines.org/pdf/newsmagazine/197507.pdf(See pdf sheet 5)Also, a 1967 99's newsletter asks members to write Mayor Minter letters, because the Orange County Chapter was still fighting to keep SMO open at that time.https://www.ninety-nines.org/pdf/newsmagazine/196704.pdf(See pdf sheet 15, top left)If not for the Minter's efforts, SMO would have been closed and surrendered to developers decades ago. That's a stark contrast not likely to be mistaken for anything else. "The NTSB never includes detailed calculations in the preliminary. The aircraft departed the Houston . He blamed a hazardous chimney on the Gem State Processing Plant for the deadly crash.Hmmmmmm! So the only problem left is not arresting the descent rate. (Flight at 6,200' MSL and below was "under" based on lowest layer of BKN021 reported in the METARS for the elevation 4,154 MSL field. The Flight Safety Emergency Checklist Memory Items for an Inadvertent Icing Encounter calls for:(1) Ignition Switch .ON(2) Inertial SeparatorBYPASS (bypasses precipitation past the intake back out in the slipstream)(3) PITOT/STATIC, STALL, WINDSHIELD, PROP, ANTI-ICEONThe FAA/NTSB Safety Investigators hopefully have noted the various switch positions of all the above, whether the Inertial Separator was placed in the BYPASS position, and whether wing flaps were selected.I am not aware of whether this was an older model of Cessna Caravan equipped with legacy round instrument gages and the old booted deice system. The altitudes Flightaware shows are the uncorrected pressure altitudes reported by the aircraft's ADS-B transmitter. More Info. Condolences and humble prayers to Brittneys family and kin. Brittney is survived by her parents, Sharon and Jim Bob Infanger, her siblings, Craig Infanger (Daria); Emily Goodrich (Robert); Branden Infanger (Annie); Jayden Infanger; Erica Hill (Taylor); Adrienne Rochleau (Chris); and her loving nieces, nephews, aunts, uncles and cousins. In the USA people get fed a steady diet of emotionalized and sensationalized TV and other media from an early age on around the clock and everywhere, airports, waiting rooms and especially at home. A plausible explanation that in no way reflects poor airmanship. There is a parallel expressway, I-20, beyond runway 24 - at that time of day it would have been crammed with bumper to bumper rush hour morning traffic with parallel lines of red and white lights, little dots repeating perfectly. Chunks of ice breaking off may be sucked into the engine and cause structural damage. This was not the fault of any tower on the processing plant. I'm an engineer and have a bachelor's degree in mechanical engineering and a master's degree in aerospace engineering, with 15 years experience.Using satellite data from Google Earth, I drew up the geometry of this airport and the surrounding area in CAD, to prevent math errors. Operating Certificate(s) Held: Commuter air carrier (135), Observation Facility, Elevation: KBYI,4143 ft msl, Distance from Accident Site: 1 Nautical Miles, Wind Speed/Gusts, Direction: 8 knots / , 190, Departure Point: Salt Lake City, UT (SLC), Latitude, Longitude: 42.551433,-113.75969. It may have been mentioned earlier, but the leading edge of the left gear leg looks crushed. Sometimes, a thin coating of ice will form on the windshield, preceded in some instances by frosting. In general, FlightAware is not intended to be an accurate indication of aircraft altitudes and positions for forensic purposes, so armchair investigators would do well not to draw detailed conclusions from FA data. you think it's unreasonable for a pilot to descend to a standard 3.0 degree glidepath once they have the runway in sight?When the glidepath specified on the approach is 3.75 degrees, yes, yes I do. Crashed at 8:32 AM. In addition, the publication notes that seat belts alone will only protect the occupant in very minor impacts and that using shoulder harnesses in small aircraft would reduce injuries by 88 percent and fatalities by 20 percent.". first opened in 1940, and publicly-owned by the CITY OF BURLEY, ID. You don't have any vertical guidance at all, so if you're a bit low for whatever reason you don't know it then you're dead. Really only SE piston and one helicopter showing on Flightaware. https://gemairflights.com/. On August 25, 2001, a Cessna 402 twin-engine light aircraft crashed shortly after takeoff from Marsh Harbour Airport on the Abaco Islands of the Bahamas, killing the pilot and all eight passengers on board. With airlines short of pilots, why was this 30 year old college grad "COMMERCIAL PILOT Date of Issue: 1/3/2020" flying UPS 208 Grand Caravans? It's nearly parallel to the runway. She was descending at 700 / minute. The plate shows 4,304 so I used that. Sunrise was at 6:56.She would have been accustomed to crossing the waterway with the railroad bridge in view on the right side during the last moments in the normal approach to the RW20 threshold.There is nothing to see that is even remotely similar to the waterway and RR bridge combination before reaching the tater plant. Stereo vision would have been useless. Stack is 100' AGL, 4,256' MSL per the obstruction database:16-036731 O US ID HEYBURN 42 33 05.92N 113 45 34.15W STACK 1 00100 04256 R 4 D P 2016ANM01617OE A 2017285Full stack database discussion here:http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2022/04/cessna-208b-grand-caravan-n928jp-fatal.html?showComment=1650113710197#c2541529799564513775. The #5 comment about lowest cloud layer is important to grasp. Hi, thanks for the info and the link. Sunrise was 6:56. A 21-month-old baby boy has died and a woman has sustained "life . I grew up near a small airport most people just complained about the noise, and crashes until it was shut down tract homes were built there. It should also be noted that visibility was two miles just two minutes before the crash and 2.5 miles eight minutes after the crash. On April 13, 2022, about 0832 mountain daylight time, a Cessna 208B Grand Caravan, N928JP, was substantially damaged when it was involved in an accident near Heyburn, Idaho. No civilians were reported injured on the beach, officials added. Even reading 50 feet low she should have been 110 feet above that chimney/stack. The pilot was fatally injured. There are less than 4,000 feet available for landing. Snow was observed falling. There is photographic evidence of the stacks on the roof at the collision location in a 2018 Town News article about the plant, so they have been there at least that long. Kathryn's Report: Most Read All Time. She was outgoing, welcoming, and Christlike. I am all for accident analysis and understanding what went wrong in the name of preventing future occurrences - and boy does this case fit the bill - but our online aviation community (which unfortunately includes non-aviators) is swift to judge with limited information, a dangerous tendency in and of itself. FYI, the 4304' obstacle shown on the RWY 20 approach plate plan view is NOT any of the stacks at Gem State plant. A non-precision step down IFR approach to minimums is one of the hardest things any Pilot is ever called upon to do. I just read it and yikes! pilots of america. First approach got down to 4375 which is 185 below MDA. Perhaps he could have dumped full flaps and ground effected to just clear over the retreating water waves which is what they hit to flip over. Kathryn s Report Cessna 525C Citation CJ4 N614SB Fatal. Nothing was cut. Please stop commenting on things you don't even comprehend or until you bother to understand the known facts. To Anonymous, dated Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 2:55:00 AM EDTQuestion: What explanation do you have besides your technical dissertation of how to interpret ADS-B data for what occurred besides the broken busted minima mantra? 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