Find a pastor who will do your funeral and not punt it to the third tier pastoral staff. But now most megas treat their head/lead/teaching pastor as the answer to continued success as a church and I think its a reason for this very unhealthy obsession with Christian celebrity pastors. Platt fell on the sword by taking the heat during the IMB missionary recall debacle, so this is his parachute. We need to assemble, and we need each other to live out the one anothers. Christ gave Himself for the Church. Were connected. It is both costly and enriching to do so. God. She never told me what they talked about, but she spoke very highly of him and enjoyed having him visit. No liberal lefty here, in fact, not really political at all, but as someone who is a full bore Christian, has published in the field of taxation and done research into nonprofit organizations, I think its high time we close the loophole as well for any 501(c)(3) that does not truly function as a charitable nonprofit organization.God wrote: Given my personal state, thats not exactly comforting! Thats all it is. I hope not. Id be very interested. He Didnt Love Being a Police Officer. I sometimes despair at being such a talentless, beached whale of an apology for a wordsmith. Many dont. My problem with the tax breaks for churches and staff is they dont want government intrusion but then want to keep special exemptions. United prayer, therefore, requires that the one for whom we pray be looking away from us to the Lord Jesus Christ, and we together look to Him alone (1), respectfully, as you anticipate heavenly things, make every effort to be found at peace with The Lord Jesus, and that pressing towards being without spot or blemish, growing in the grace and knowledge of our Savior Jesus Christ. But a sermon writing service? I have NEVER had anyone do that in communion before. Im not there yet. i would love to see an accounting illustration, showing how much each tax payer in a pastors neighborhood has to contribute to cover the shortfall of the public services which the pastor enjoys and expects. He also will continue to spend 35% of his weekends traveling domestically and internationally carrying out IMB responsibilities and preaching in Southern Baptist churches, in addition to his extensive travel during the week. Is there a bonus for adding Lead Prophet and/or Head Apostle to the title? 14, that will be my last Sunday at Brook Hills, and then well begin to shift totally after that.. Do you think the Apostle Paul really knew the names of the thousands who were added to the church daily or that he made hospital visits? Dont get me wrong, the Bible is a great and wonderful thing, and as far as holy books go it has no equal. David Platt ended that dream. David Platt (ThM, PhD, New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary) is the pastor-teacher of McLean Bible Church, founder of Radical, and a Council member of The Gospel Coalition. In other words, I am thinking that different people have different needs, and some folks cannot deal with chaos and want rules and procedures and organization and having somebody in charge. First, a general reason: God has always existed in relationshipthe loving relationship of Father, Son, and Spirit. Mohler does as he pleases, as far as I can tell. why are we surprised when we attract to that position those who are nothing more than entrepreneurial CEOs, vapid, idiotic motivational speakers, and little kings and God-haters who demand submission? Otherwise what is the point? So I went and prayed, then listened to his latest sermon and once again I was reminded possibly by the Holy Spirit how anointed this man is. More than anything, I want a church thats actually about God. He was the celebrity Pastor who would get the young men excited. This post has many thoughtful insights, especially the character qualities needed to be a loving pastor. Boy did that make some pastors extremely mad. Ive never seen this in scripture. To be fair to Platt, in his final sermon I referenced he actually made a strong plea for Christians to go to different countries not as professional missionaries, but as workers with regular jobs who can spread the Gospel through normal contacts and also assist to strengthen local churches. They actually have a very limited impact. Took me six months before my stamina came back and over a year before my gut felt normal again. Im a liberal lefty too, and I think its high time to revamp the tax codes so that the loopholes are closed and that all non-profits (religious or no) must abide by the same rules. by BEING in right relationship with Him. (1) lyrics: Evanescence: The Evolution of Bring Me To Life: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EEHZ_-mE7Ao Nor do they ever get any deeper. Not a clue. It is also a biological code. Some people got fed up with the church service and would come to the class and not attend church. I hear your complaints. I happen to know his income will almost double. The man boy who took over my former church immediately had his title changed to lead pastor. @ Todd Wilhelm: In many of them, and also non-denoms, they are both shallow AND long. But I could be mis-understanding you. If I baked you 10 cookies but one had poison would you eat one or just throw the entire batch out? And while Im at it, Ive been on enough church building projects to know that buildings and public meetings arent necessarily blessings. Having been in SBC churches for 20 years, I can honestly say that most megachurch sermons are shallow and quite devoid of teaching of Scripture. Because those are more entertaining, particularly to a TV audience. There is no excuse for the lack of shepherding, love, and caring that we are seeing in the modern church. I have been hearing from a few folks. While some people think that Jimmy sounds like he could be deaf for some reason, many others think he has the hottest voice ever. I grew up Church of Christ however; denominations mean nothing to me. Not only, but Sunday morning worship service public proclamation is the churchs most visible act. However, I can tell you as a senior pastor type that its hard to find the funding to hire enough pastors to make that a reality. aka T.U.L.I.P.) Stomach full of staples for another week, but back to work with a few restrictions. A lot of these groups are, to my mind, strongly analogous to the none/done population. How long will it take the 13-25 thousand people who attend services at the McLean Bible multi-plex Church in Northern Virginia on a regular basis to realize they are being had by preachers who are now pushing stealth Calvinism, and hanging out with and supporting 501(c)3 organizations that do? I literally LOLed. Bridget, Actually, liberal lefty functions only as temporary place holder for me. I never really made it past the Introduction in the book 9 Marks of a Healthy Church because he did not include prayer in the 9 Marks. There were no condolences from the church, nothing. When he was three my son once told a woman in the checkout line that I once threw him like a football. Who God is, and what He has done in Christ on our behalf takes precedence. Its all part of the business. 4). Unless you show me some passages that demonstrate it was the norm. You cant have it both ways and these special privileges may prove to be a future rationalization for government meddling. He had his family and his oilfield job, and we were either adults or in families with adults. To our readers We do not build service upon ministering unto others created things cannot be our motivation. Joined a lovely little church which felt like family the moment I walked in the door. I think this explains the dislike many of them have for bloggers. Should it come from the pulpit only? So I went and prayed, then listened to his latest sermon and once again I was reminded possibly by the Holy Spirit how anointed this man is. Birds of a feather stick together, I guess that is why Platt has no problem appearing on the conference circuit with C.J. But it is so much easier than getting off our collective duffs and doing our own jobs, huh? This leaves the door wide open for our congregation to see areas of leadership where they are needed, and to respond accordingly.. Please preface it with, As the New Testament CLEARLY shows in XYZ, Law Prof wrote: Believe in Jesus today, youll be very glad YOU did! My problem with the tax breaks for churches and staff is they dont want government intrusion but then want to keep special exemptions. One of the 16 books DeYoung has authored is titled Crazy Busy. DeYoung is eminently qualified to write on the subject. Theres very little Scripture in sermons. And somebody please give me chapter and verse where it says that all these task skills need to be present in one person. We do not have to have a man to minister the Word to us from a pulpit on Sundays; teachers yes, pastors (caregivers) yes, administors yes, elders yes, etc. And, I suppose, the crowds can just forget it; how many people have houses that big? As all were replaced their titles changed with the word pastor not minister. Please, I prepped lesson plans for 6 math classes per day (4 different grade levels) in way, way, way less time than that! If youre a religious figure, you can designate some portion of your income (up to a certain point, please consult with your tax advisor) as compensation for housing. Being paid an honorarium for each sermon is not a salary so one wonders if this is all spin. That is simply not a position that exists in the New Testament. But the key is it gives that to the church, not to some supposed superChristian known as the pastor whom we pay to be the shaman and do OUR jobs. It seems to me that youre all just looking for the perfect church. Every inch of my kitchen counter is covered with stuff. Its also tricky if there is something messy with IMB and NAMB that is as yet undisclosed. Good chance David Platt will not write much of those sermons. He finally harped so much on Radical that my family left Brook Hills after 4 years, spiritually drained and exhausted. Why do we continue attending fellowships that such a person presides over and wonder why things go wrong? To my knowledge neither Platt nor Furman have apologized for the scam they took part in. What next pants down so we can see his undergarments? Did I miss that anywhere in this thread? That was a while back, though, when parsonages were still en vogue. Definitions are all changing under our feet (the boundary markers are being moved). I know what you mean about David Platts sermon style. And that was his only job then. MBC needs to pray for discernment and examine Davids teachings. McLean has gradually lost the credibility it once had back in the 80s and 90s. ), I keep hearing that echo from that 9Marks newsletter I read online, where someone asked what to do if people didnt want to sign a covenant, and the answer was to reason with them and then ease them out if they wouldnt sign. These pastors faithfully execute the responsibilities of their jobs. If God is truly visible in our midst, we will not have to build bridges to the community; they will build them to us to get to God. Expenses run high in that stratosphere. Or do you mean the Mega New Testament Church model, in which the large full-time staff are comfortably paid wages from the offering baskets of the local believers, Just like the Priests of the old Egyptian gods. You can support him by experiencing him as your pastor for several years. dee said: To our readers Thats what our church family is for. Its a fair question. With the IMB and the NAMB and 9Marks and ERLC there, it sure looks like there will be political consolidation in D.C. of what used to be known as the SBC. You can feel it! Aspiring to the office of overseer it is a fine work (1 Tim 3:1). The last time such a position existed was over 3,000 years ago, it was a special circumstance, it was explicitly ordained by the Lord Himself, and it was filled by one who was stated by God to be the most humble man in the history of the world. But even on the most complicated issues, Ive never spent 20-25 hours just preparing for a meeting. He may well love all but he has said that not all survive the judgment. Best regards, Id settle for an acceptable church. As many genders as people are claiming now there is no way to be inclusive much less to do so with any common sense at all. I very much agree that many Christians do this quite well without drawing attention to themselves do you mean positional recognition? Thanks for asking . Incidentally, in the spirit of holding fast to that which is good, Ill choose to remember David Platt for his superb goal for England against Belgium in the 1990 World Cup finals in Italy: And why didnt Jesus, His Disciples, and His Apostles, make the big bucks and the lives of the rich and famous as we see witnessed today with the great evangelists, preachers and teachers of our day? My husband had tears in his eyes. Im aware that the owner of a local restaurant does something similar. Generally, human nature is fairly predictable once we give up the notion that we ourselves or our group is somehow exempt. At least theyre coming to understand that, whilst its relatively simple to join something, belonging is more complex. Actually, liberal lefty functions only as temporary place holder for me. No longer do we judge anyone who looks as haggled as we do, thinking they are just too lazy to even get properly dressed. This is and has always been the model of Lutheran (LCMS and ELCA synods) pastoral care. We plan to revisit this matter in our February trustee meeting.. It evolved; a culture developed around it; rules and regulations; holidays and celebrations; the yearly church calendar; working people could show up, pay up, and leave; eventually the CEO posted a job roster for the volunteers; duties and titles; gender roles; power and access became linked to donated money; book$ and conference$ and web$ite$ and broadcast$; celebrity and status; trips and missions and safaris; etc. It is a very odd collection of characters. Take this opportunity to tell these supposed *pastors* what you think a pastor should be. Im sure they could help Mr Platt find a fulfilment of his dream. What about the way New Testament leaders and teachers apparently worked to provide their own physical sustenance, so they would not be burdensome on the believers, oh, say, tent-making, for example? He sounds like a driven man. His church, brookhills, (or whatever the name) was not even involved in the Cooperative program when he was appointed. One of many reasons I am not a fan of institutionalied/bureaucracy-ized Churchianity. It is not the whole. (But seriously, 20-25 hrs a week on prep? He never chided believers to get out there, knock on doors, join me on mission, serve your community, hand out water bottles at marathons, plant a community garden. Im not looking for the perfect church . IMO Platt is an unethical showman, plain and simple. At MBC we have a large pastoral staff who make hospital visits, perform weddings and funerals, etc. Job, and we were either adults or in families with adults is his parachute Father,,... 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